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Michael Jackson Accuser Explains ‘Grooming Process’ to Oprah Winfrey. Says It’s Why He Denied Molestation

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Oprah Winfrey sits down with the subjects of a new HBO documentary “Leaving Neverland,” and asks the late Michael Jackson’s accusers why they testified in support of Jackson as he battled over molestation charges in 2005.

During a panel discussion with child sexual abuse accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, she says:

“If you were abused, why would you continue to want to be around the person?”

In front of an audience of sexual abuse survivors, Robson and Safechuck allege that the pop superstar used a “grooming process” to molest them when they were children between the ages of 7 and 10.


As reported by People, the two men describe the act of grooming in detail.

In Safechuck’s account, he explains that he trusted Jackson and was reportedly blinded by his love for him, which was displayed through an alleged marriage ceremony with rings and handwritten vows. Safechuck said:

“That moment was part of him telling me we’ll be together forever. It was an action to solidify our love. I was getting a little older and I was a little more insecure about my position, so it was sort of reminding me that we’ll always be together.”

He continued:

“Even before that, I was all in. He also wedges a space between you and your parents, you and the rest of the world. He works very hard at that. So it’s you and him against the world. And that intense love combined with the world’s intense love for him is overwhelming.”

Safechuck and Robson continued to recount their experiences in detail and added:

“Michael had just drilled in you over and over since you were a kid, ‘If we’re caught, your life is over, my life is over.’ It’s repeated over and over and over again. That’s just drilled into your nervous system. So it’s panic of being caught. It takes a lot of work to sort through that.”

The two men maintain they were sexually abused despite their shifting statement from 2005. Members of Jackson’s family have tried to block the two-part documentary from airing on March 3 and 4. Jermaine Jackson, Michael’s older brother, told CBS:

“Michael’s not here to defend himself.”

He added:

“The facts are public record. I mean what he testified under oath are all the different things that he said.”

Winfrey said during the taping of the special:

“I know people all over the world are gonna be in an uproar and debating whether or not Michael Jackson did these things or not, did he do it or not do it, whether these two men are lying or not lying.”

She continued:

“But for me, this moment transcends Michael Jackson. It is much bigger than any one person. This is a moment in time that allows us to see this societal corruption. It’s like a scourge on humanity and it’s happening right now. It’s happening in families.”

“Oprah Winfrey Presents: After Neverland” will air on Winfrey’s OWN network at 10 p.m. EST, immediately following the second part of the four-hour HBO documentary.

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  1. For whatever reason (perhaps just a general weirdness about MJ) I always believed he was a pedophile and child molester, one who’d gotten away with it bec. of his 1) fame, 2) money, 3) MJ’s charisma and thus ability to charm people (esp. the very young) into doing his bidding instead of abiding by their own instincts. That some were adamant, even in the original case, that he was not molesting them, it was far more believable that they, too, would not want the shame and degradation that would result, esp. in the males (which they were mostly/exclusively!?) That Jackson could try to cover up with his fake marriages, too, seemed plausible. Altogether, am sorry this had to come out so late-but hope (and pray) for healing for all of his victims, even, and maybe esp. those who’ve claimed not to be one…

  2. I do not believe a word of it. They are out for attention, notoriety, money…etc…lies nothing but lies! Michael leaves a legacy….millions around the world of all age groups love him. I cannot fathom what in the world they presume to gain by dragging this nonsense out all over again! Michael, sadly, is gone…let him RIP!
    I believe in KARMA….their day will come!

  3. This is sad. Michael Jackson is not here to defend himself. It looks like a public lynching. They are becoming far to common. We should no better.

  4. So believe all women but not men or kids? What grown man obsesses over young boys? Wants to spend the night with them? You people are delusional. Nothing about that guy was normal. What parents allow that. All classic grooming behaviors. So you all would let your kid go sleep with a grown man at his house in his bed?

  5. I never believed all this about Michael…Ive always prayed I was right…If anything did happen..I blame parents…they shouldve kept their kids at home instead of desiring and basking in the idea of MJ wanting their children around…all for a moment of fame…do I believe these two ??? Hell no….there were thousands of kids who spent time with him…he would have molested more than these two…they want fame as well…and money…this man has 3 children…why cant they shut up so MJs family can move on….either way…God will sort it all out very soon…

  6. Shame on Oprah. She’ll do anything for ratings. You can accuse anyone of anything once they’re dead and gone. Why give all these liars a stage? Praying for Katherine Jackson and all of Michael’s siblings.

  7. I believe these boys, and always felt that that their parents were paid off by Michael Jackson. I am an adult sexual abuse survivor, with my father as the abuser. All the nighbors, my father’s friends and family thought he was a great person, but they had no idea what was happening in our house. I tried to tell a few people but got no help. No matter what image Micheal presented to the world, only those young men know what went on behind closed doors. I am glad that they will be getting a chance to heal from the devastating effects of repeated sexual abuse.

  8. If you believe in Karma, Maria, then maybe Michael is getting his now. You assert lies lies lies. How do you know that? Of course how do we know these men aren’t lying either. It’s really not clear cut. But they guy slept with little boys while claiming nothing was going on. I think that tends to point more toward his guild than innocence. Even if he’s not here to defend himself, there are ways of digging out the truth. But bottom line is he’s not innocent simply because you want him to be. Millions loving him doesn’t make him guilty or innocent one way or the other. You cannot fathom what these people presume to gain. Perhaps piece of mind by getting it off their chests. You know what Hollywood is like, and it wouldn’t shock me at all to find out that MJ was just as bad as the rest of them. Drugs and alcohol and wild times lead to sexual fantasies and the power to do so.

  9. I just think it’s crazy how 14 years later and after all the R.Kelly stuff that’s going on now they wanna attack Michael like letthe man Rest In Peace smh! After their testimony UNDER OATH saying he didn’t do ANYTHING WRONG to them I wanna see the proof where’s these letters he supposedly wrote?? When you do something wrong you ALWAYS leave a trail so where’s it at!? Idc I don’t believe it in court they would be considered unreliable witnesses because THEY LIED ONCE ALREADY smh anything for 5 minuets of fame smfh

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